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d01m01g64

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EarlBrooks said:
I do not understand those professional soldiers who strip naked and execute hundreds and hundreds of victims.
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They simply followed orders within the framework of existing laws. Here the question arises whether it is necessary to always and everywhere obey the law and follow orders. And the responsibility associated with observing the law and following orders. Some statutes prohibit the execution of illegal orders, but what to do if the law itself is not legal.

Они просто банально выполняли приказы в рамках существующих законов. Здесь возникает вопрос, нужно ли всегда и везде быть послушным закону и следовать приказам. И ответственность, связанная с соблюдением закона и следованию приказам. В некоторых уставах существует запрет выполнения незаконных приказов, но что делать если сам закон не законен.
 
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vadim69

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d01m01g64 said:
They simply followed orders within the framework of existing laws. Here the question arises whether it is necessary to always and everywhere obey the law and follow orders. And the responsibility associated with observing the law and following orders. Some statutes prohibit the execution of illegal orders, but what to do if the law itself is not legal.

Они просто банально выполняли приказы в рамках существующих законов. Здесь возникает вопрос, нужно ли всегда и везде быть послушным закону и следовать приказам. И ответственность, связанная с соблюдением закона и следованию приказам. В некоторых уставах существует запрет выполнения незаконных приказов, но что делать если сам закон не законен.
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In July 1943, General Patton addressed the 45th Division. "General Patton made it very clear that we were to destroy the enemy wherever we found him," recalled Captain Howard Cry, commander of the division's 180th Regiment. "He said destroy and destroy, because the more enemy we destroyed today, the less of him there would be left, and the better it would be in the long run for the division itself... He also said that the more prisoners we captured, the more people we would have to feed and house, the more trouble we would have to make to prevent abuse. He said that the best German was a dead German." Soon after, the Biscari Airfield Incident occurred. Captain John Compton, commanding Company C of the 180th, ordered a firing squad to shoot about forty snipers. A little later, Sergeant Horace West of Company A shot thirty-six prisoners of war with a Thompson submachine gun - thirty-four Italians and two Germans. Both soldiers were brought before a tribunal. Compton managed to justify himself, using Patton's statements as an argument. West was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment. A year later, West was released and returned to the army as a private.
While the trial was going on, two more incidents occurred. At the Comiso airfield, a group of German prisoners of war were shot with a large-caliber machine gun. A few days later, 60 Italian prisoners were killed there.
The next episode took place in the town of Canicattì. This time, violence was committed against civilians. A lieutenant colonel of the 13th Infantry Regiment and his soldiers opened fire on workers at a soap factory. An unknown number of civilians, including children, were killed. The lieutenant colonel's immediate superior, Colonel Capleton, refused to open an investigation... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canicattì_massacre

В июле 1943 года генерал Паттон обратился к личному составу 45-дивизии. "Генерал Паттон совершенно четко дал нам понять, что мы должны уничтожать врага всюду, где он нам встретится, - вспоминает капитан Говард Край, командир 180-го полка из состава дивизии. - Он велел уничтожать и уничтожать, потому что, чем больше врага мы уничтожим сегодня, тем меньше его останется и тем будет лучше в долгосрочной перспективе для самой дивизии... Еще он сказал, что чем больше пленных мы захватим, тем больше народу нам придётся кормить и содержать, ломать голову, чтобы не допускать по отношению к ним злоупотреблений. Он сказал, что самый хороший немец - мёртвый немец".
Вскоре произошёл инцидент на аэродроме Бискари. Капитан Джон Комптон, командовавший ротой "С" из состава 180-го, приказал расстрельной команде расстрелять около сорока снайперов. Чуть позже сержант Гораций Уэст из роты "А" из автомата "Томпсона" застрелил тридцать шесть пленных - тридцать четыре итальянца и двух немцев. Оба военнослужащих предстали перед трибуналом. Комптон сумел оправдаться, используя в качестве аргумента высказывания Паттона. Уэст же был признан виновным и приговорён к пожизненному заключению. Через год Уэст получил свободу и вернулся в армию рядовым.
Пока шёл процесс, случились еще два инцидента. На аэродроме Комизо из крупнокалиберного пулемёта были расстреляна группа немецких военнопленных. Спустя несколько дней там же были уничтожены 60 человек пленных итальянцев.
Следующий эпизод произошёл уже в городке Каникатти. Имело место насилие уже над гражданскими лицами. Подполковник 13-го пехотного полка со своими солдатами открыли огонь по работникам мыловаренной фабрики. Было убито неустановленное количество гражданских лиц, в том числе и дети. Непосредственный начальник подполковника - полковник Каплтон отказался возбуждать расследование... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canicattì_massacre
 

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EarlBrooks

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I never heard of the Canicatti Massacre Italy. Interesting.
I am sure there were many small massacres during times of war.
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My initial point is that during the naked melee, how could one be attracted to peek and grope upon the young victims?
After the many many gazillion asses, vagina and breasts, my eyes would become numb. They become all the same.
Pop, pop pop, "Hey Sergeant, Are we done yet?"

Perhaps this is just me.
 
d01m01g64

d01m01g64

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EarlBrooks said:
Perhaps this is just me.
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Just a job that needs to be done. Trivial. This is the most terrible thing, but at the same time effective. Dehumanization of any enemy, obvious or imaginary. This comes from such prehistoric depths when man has not yet realized himself as a man. General Paton did not say anything new, before that Goebbels told the Germans the same thing, freeing them from the gimmere of conscience. Because if there is a man in front of you, then you cannot shoot at him, but if he is not human, then you must. This is the strength and weakness of modern Western civilization. That is why everyone is striving there, but it objectively cannot withstand it, as a result, the outcome is the same, either the non-humans will grind it down, or they themselves will become non-humans.

Просто работа, которую нужно сделать. Банально. В этом и заключается самое страшное но вместе с этим и эффективное. Дегуманизация любого противника, явного или мнимого. Это приходит из таких доисторических глубин когда человек то человеком себя еще не осознал. Генерал Патон не сказал ни чего нового, до этого это самое немцам говорил Гебельс, освобождая их от гимеры совести. Ибо если перед тобой человек, то в него стрелять нельзя, но если нелюдь то надо. Это и есть сила и слабость современной западной цивилизаций. Потому и туда все стремятся, но она объективно не выдерживает, в следствие исход одинаков, или ее перемелют нелюди, или они сами станут нелюдям.
 
EarlBrooks

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Dear d01m01,
You make a good point - Dehumanization. After 1933, after years of propaganda, few would assist the Jewish people.
Survivors of the German Einsatzgruppen would be rejected.
The naked injured would pound upon neighbors doorways with little success.
If they took them in, they would soon summon the local policeman.
The shooter killers mindset was "Sub Humans", so it was a just cause.
I shake my head with disbelief.


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vadim69

vadim69

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EarlBrooks said:
Dear d01m01,
You make a good point - Dehumanization. After 1933, after years of propaganda, few would assist the Jewish people.
Survivors of the German Einsatzgruppen would be rejected.
The naked injured would pound upon neighbors doorways with little success.
If they took them in, they would soon summon the local policeman.
The shooter killers mindset was "Sub Humans", so it was a just cause.
I shake my head with disbelief.


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In Eastern Europe, it is not only and not so much the German Einsatzgruppen and propaganda after 1933 that have nothing to do with it. For example:

"On a sweltering summer day, July 10, 1941, hundreds of Jews were murdered by their Polish neighbors in the village of Jedwabne, almost 100 miles northeast of Warsaw. Babies were killed. Men were tortured. Women were raped. A young girl was decapitated and her head used as a soccer ball.

Villagers whose lives had not been extinguished with axes, clubs, and knives were rounded up and taken first to the market square and then to the outskirts of town, where they were herded into a barn. The wooden structure was doused with kerosene and set alight. Women, children, and men were burned alive as the jeering crowd watched. Their cries of agony reverberated throughout the village. Looting of the victims’ homes followed as peasants from neighboring villages showed up to take part in the plunder."
foreignpolicy.com

How Poland Distorts Its Holocaust History

The Polish government’s ongoing war on historians documenting Poles’ complicity in massacres has led to a politically motivated distortion of the past.
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AlexanderX

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Роль жары в картине неубедительна. В твоих каринах все жертвы голые всегда независимо от температуры.
(The heat factor in the picture is unconvincing. In your pictures, all the victims are always naked, regardless of the temperature.)
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Anna

Anna

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Тучка вполне может солнце закрыть и в 35-градусную погоду. А так да, немцы раздевали жертв независимо от температуры.
 
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